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« Reply #30 on: September 15, 2011, 01:03:18 PM »

Yep, but Bone's current Valk doesn't have a reverse either, which is why I said I would stay with the Valk.  Then again, he can probably sell that Valk, and buy a used GL1500 AND a Voyager trike kit with the proceeds of the sale.
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« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2011, 02:40:28 PM »

Be careful on the Voyager kits. They are illegal in some states (like Texas). This is because with more than three wheels in contact with the ground, they are NOT a motorcycle, nor do they meet the legal requirements of being a car. I'm not talking about what is said or enforced, but it may affect insurance and stuff.

When I bought my valk it had a voyager kit on it. I live in Texas as well but never had any problems but I didn't keep it on long. I don't know if it was the wrong kit or what but I did not like the way it handled. It scared the crap out of me one night by the back wobble feel I took it off and sold it. When I did sell it I did find out it was the wrong kit for the Valk. If they are illegal in Texas whyare they selling them in Texas? Just wondering not trying to start an debate or conflict.
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« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2011, 07:13:36 PM »

Have you looked up landing gear for your valk ,keeps stock look of the bike. wonder though if they make a kit for the valk. never looked up the site ,just seen the ads. LandingGear.com
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« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2011, 07:56:06 PM »

Be careful on the Voyager kits. They are illegal in some states (like Texas). This is because with more than three wheels in contact with the ground, they are NOT a motorcycle, nor do they meet the legal requirements of being a car. I'm not talking about what is said or enforced, but it may affect insurance and stuff.

When I bought my valk it had a voyager kit on it. I live in Texas as well but never had any problems but I didn't keep it on long. I don't know if it was the wrong kit or what but I did not like the way it handled. It scared the crap out of me one night by the back wobble feel I took it off and sold it. When I did sell it I did find out it was the wrong kit for the Valk. If they are illegal in Texas whyare they selling them in Texas? Just wondering not trying to start an debate or conflict.

It's a technicality. In Texas, any vehicle with more than three wheels in contact with the ground can not be considered a motorcycle. This would probably only come into play if there was a crash or liability issue. The lawyer could bring up that it is an illegal vehicle and deny payments.
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« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2011, 12:05:48 AM »

Thanks for all the input. I don't have a problem backing up its the slow moving parking lot thing that gets me. Seems in tight turns the front wheel really snaps into the turn and once in a while I end up down with it and can no longer lift it alone. Thanks for other people at the gas pump. Grin
And they make a landing gear for the Goldwings so maybe the frames are close. It runs $3400. bucks though. A bit stiff. And only $2500. for the HD. So am still trying to decide. Thanks again for all the food for thought.
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« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2011, 01:42:37 PM »

Welcome all, I just sold our 2010 Spyder RTS and bought a 2000 IS. Not because we didn't enjoy it but because of changes in our family. Comparing the Spyder to a Valk, Wing or BMW is like comparing apples to strawberries. The spyder had enough power for 2 up and was very comfortable. I never had an issue of feeling out of control and it handles like a dream in the rain with the stability control. As far as the millage the spyder is like pushing a garage door down the road and not streamlined like a 2 wheeler or conventional trike. I was getting about 30 riding by myself and 26 2 up.

Now, I'm new to the 2 wheeler world and chose a 2000 Interstate as my current ride. I'm sure I will be on the this site daily learning all I can about the Valkyrie and I already appreciate all the knowledge given so far... Thanks  Bill
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« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2011, 01:54:49 PM »

welcome Medic1,

Not very often you see someone trade down 10 years but I think you made a wise choice!  At the very least you will be getting better gas mileage with your Valkyrie over the Spyder.  Grin

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« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2011, 03:36:41 PM »

I'm in Swartz Creek Mi, just outside of Flint (violent crime capital of the US  Grin)
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« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2011, 11:49:34 PM »

Glad to see you here, Medic.  Welcome, and enjoy your new Valk!
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« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2011, 06:39:33 AM »

Welcome aboard, Medic.  Enjoy your "new" ride!

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« Reply #40 on: October 01, 2011, 10:17:52 AM »

MotoTike is about 8 grand for a valk but it doesn't have a reverse if you are looking for that.
In the late 90's my job took me to Japan a lot, two to three times a month. One of my favorite things to do on off time over there was to go to local motorcycle shops. I saw a Valk over there that had a factory electric reverse on it. It had to come from Marysville right? So, is there any way we can get the parts here for that setup? I'd sure like to find out.

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« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2011, 01:02:08 PM »

Reverse trikes are the new buzz.

Reverse trike fills a slightly different segment of the riders group. Reverse trikes have all the pluses of a standard trike in that they stand upright at all times. They also handle gravel, dirt and cross country (fields and pastures) just fine if you wish to go those routes. Surprisingly most people avoid non paved roads even on trikes as they don't want to get the bike dirty.  Shocked (Not me)

So what is different about a trike and a reverse? Personally I think the RT's are more sporty and demand some extra "skills" not used while riding a standard two wheeler. I can't personally speak for the standard trike crowd as I have never driven one of the standard trikes.
I do have two RT's (Stealth11 and Valk3) and will tell you these do not have any computer aided balance or braking systems so pushing it around corners will require some aggressive body action and will produce some wheel lifting if pushed hard enough.

When I first purchased my 2001 GL1800 I said this was the best, finest, most comfortable motorcycle I have ever owned. (bike #50 something) And this was true until I built the Valk3 and fine tuned the suspension and tires.
Officially this RT is now the finest motorcycle I have owned to date.
Down the highway it is very smooth, I can see the front wheels going up and down but feel nothing. It corners very flat due to a stiff sway bar and obviously has a fine engine to get me from point A to B.
The #1 question I get whenever I stop (yes every time I stop) is "How does it handle?" My standard answer is "just like a snowmobile" which is about the most honest answer I can come up with. Some people say they tried the Spyder and it's like an ATV - this would be great as ATV's are FUN!

Now getting back to the Spyder. Handling is much the same. Power again similar, sportiness is sure there. The Spyder does have computerized stability control which I see as a very good thing. It does let you get frisky but not so much that you get yourself in serious trouble. Electronic assist power steering is also included but to me that is something I would disable and wonder why they even included that. Without it the steering is light and easy. And there has been some problems with the software - ala Toyota.
Again the Spyder is factory made and mine is home garage so the Spyder certainly is mechanically exquisite compared.
For me the Spyder would be the immediate choice over a standard trike.
Almost half my riding is back roads and gravel I the soft car tires all around seem to handle loose gravel with ease. Plus it's just plain fun. I never consider road conditions, road construction as an impairment, ever.

Many people try out the RT and say they don't like it or the way it handles, but to be fair one can not just try a radical change like a reverse trike and immediately report their feelings. It takes 1000 miles and many types of conditions to get used to the new "skills" required to ride one effectively. Yes the RT's require other "skills" that most 2 wheel riders do not initially possess. But one does get comfortable and trusting in time.

I have always had concerns regarding a sub 1000cc V twin as a powerplant but reports are in that this high reving engine does just fine.
Now fuel economy is another factor, Goldwing trikes tend to get mid 30's where Spyders are low 30's at best.

A couple things regarding trikes in general. While wind does not push the machines around much it does push the rider. In hard wind one must hang on or be pushed off the seat.
Another thing is in corners some leaning is required or you will become a lawn dart even though the trike will stay nice and flat.  Smiley

It is my guess that other manufactures will soon offer their versions and the competition will heat up quickly. So hold that thought
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« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2011, 08:45:56 PM »

Thanks alot Valkthree a very informative reply. Sets a whole new mindset for me.
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« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2011, 09:15:55 AM »

Parker, we went to the Honda Homecoming that they held in Marysville a couple of times. The one time when we went on the plant tour they were building the valks for Japan and the guide told us there were 2 differences between the Japanese version and ours, color schemes and the electric reverse.  I would think that somewhere on the net you should be able to find the parts to put one on our bikes.

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« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2011, 12:34:43 PM »

Or, just go and find for sale a used Valk in Japan somehow since most likely most would have the reverse gear you are looking for.  Still doesn't solve though your low speed handling issues without 3 or 4 wheels.
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