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« on: July 16, 2009, 08:16:26 AM »

Ok, here it is: Do you run a darkside tire tubless or tubed? I presume tubeless? I'm thinking seriously of a 205/60/16 on my 2000 Standard, as that is suppose to be the same size as stock and hopefully I won't need to do anything with the nut cage, don't know which brand yet, depends on what is available around here. So, if I decide on a Altimax, would I get the HP or RT, v rated, or what? Think I'll put Dyna Beads in it.
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« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2009, 11:27:32 AM »

Tubeless.  Nutcage is easy to do when the wheel is off.  I would suggest it.  I think either speed rating would be OK.
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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2009, 11:32:13 AM »

I agree with MP.  It would be a shame to put it all back together and have it rub.  I just went to a CT about a month ago and the nutcage modification was very simple with the back wheel off.

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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2009, 05:54:36 PM »

Would the nut cage mod be as necessary with the 205/55/16? I know I should do a search, I just don't have the time. Thanks, guys.
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2009, 11:25:59 PM »

Would the nut cage mod be as necessary with the 205/55/16? I know I should do a search, I just don't have the time. Thanks, guys.
That's what I have and I have never done the mod.
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2009, 05:44:42 AM »

Not usually necessary with the 55 series tire.  However, the 55 will raise your rpms about 300, as it is a smaller diameter tire.  The 60 series is about the same size, and a 65 series will lower rpms about 300.
Most of us think the engine could run slower for better fuel economy, but the choice is up to you.
Do not be afraid of the nutcage mod, as it is EASY to do!
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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2009, 07:44:42 AM »

It's not that I'm afraid of the nut cage mod, it's just that I can't change the tire myself and will have to take it in, I hate to pay someone else to do it, they probbably don't know what one is, let alone do one, doubfull if they'll let me do it while the tire is off, that's why I'd like to get away from it, but if the smaller tire will give me more RPM's, I don't care for that idea either.
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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2009, 12:14:08 PM »

Hi,

Can you reach up the wheel well while the tire is off, while leaving the fender on, and do the mod?

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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2009, 02:52:13 PM »

I did a friends with wheel on sitting on the kickstand in my drive way. I used a small dremel with a cut off wheel. However he had no bags or hitch and I'm not sure what got painted when I pointed and sprayed up there. But it was rubbing and we didn't think he should ride it back home that way
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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2009, 08:08:22 PM »

Just to save time and work for my first darkside, I may go with the General Altimax 205/55/16, ya, I have a Standard (2000), shop talk says no nut cage mod is needed with the 55 and the fellow didn't really notice any increase in RPM's even at 80 mph. I don't have much time to screw around here, I'm thinking of heading out to Utah the end of the month for a PGR Rally up in the mountains north of Ogden. onlinetire.com has one for $88.03 shipped, anyone know where I can find one cheaper? I will be pulling a pop up tent camper behind, anyone with experience with the 55 think I'll have any problem with the tire rubbing? Thanks for all your help so far.
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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2009, 07:04:41 AM »

The nut cage is on the inside of the rear fender section.  You do not need to take it in.  Can either take off in place, or pretty easy to remove rear fender section.  Be careful if grind off.  Do NOT let it ge hot, or it WILL damage the fender paint on the outside of the fender.  Visible!
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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2009, 06:21:16 AM »

Considering everything involved, it isn't that hard. As long as you have a motorcycle jack and a torque wrench, the only thing else is time. I had a problem with balancing my bike on the jack, but solved this with, you ready, a patio block that was cut in half that was left over from a yard project.  Grin Worked beautifully.

My only suggestion is that with the back tire off, change your brake pads at the same time. Mine were close to the end anyway.  Shocked I'll post the pictures when I get finished, as I mounted the tire to the bike last night, and am off to get brake pads today.

The tire search is a story in itself. Undecided
As for the tire, I bought a goodyear assurance 205/60/16. I was looking hard to find which tire to get, Cooper Zeon, Altima, and the others are all good tires for the money. My problem was in finding a tire locally in my small town, no tire franchises, only garages.

During my search, and knowing all of the owners, one took my out back and said take a look. The Goodyear that I found was 85% tread if not more. It was one of the tires that was on the other side of an accident that needed two tires replaced, so the guy did all four.

Anyway, with the job scene the way it is and money tight, I bought it, but his machine was an older one, and eats aluminum wheels for lunch. Paid $20.00  laugh laugh for the tire, took it and the bike wheel with me and went to a buddy's bike shop to get the mounting tools.

When I was looking into getting the bike fixed at a dealership, I was told that nobody would mount a car tire on a MC rim, liability as only one reason, tire purchase is another.

My buddy had never mounted one, and there are liability issues. I was going to get the tire irons and wheel protectors, and do it myself.

Wouldn't you know that one of his mechanics walked over and said that he would try it, the guy is good. Anyway $40.00 later, it was mounted, glued, and balanced.  Grin

I had to sign off road only statements to cover my buddy's backside for insurance reasons and that mine was the only one that he would mount, out of friendship. Lips Sealed

I am going to go to the strip and get a time slip withit to cover his backside, besides, I ate Harleys with my old tire, and expect better traction with this one, so better times. Evil

The only reason it is not finished is that I have to get the brake pads. The rim nuts are simple, and if you are unsure of doing the job on the bike, 1 allen nut and an electrical plug are all that are in your way if you had to take saddle bags off like I did, the two fender bolts that are being modified are the only thing else holding the fender on.

The tire looks wicked on the back!!!! I can't wait to try out my $60.00 tire change! That versus a new Avon for $300.00 plus installing. My wife said that it was a cheap cost to try the "Darkside" to see if I want to stay Darkside, or go with a MC tire. True for the cost, as to going away from the "Darkside"! What a joke. Evil  Grin Grin
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